Well, another week has almost passed since Natalee's birthday and nothing much has developed with regard to actual news about the case itself but there have been a few positive things happening.
First of all the news story in Dario that the dutch cold case squad is already on the case. From what I understood from the article the dutch have gone to Aruba, have reviewed case files (probably brought copies back to the Netherlands) and they are planning their next move in the case. Hopefully that will get some results but we still have to wait and see how good the Aruban actually did their job and we (nor the dutch police) know if anything has been held back by the Arubans.
Secondly, Peter R. de Vries, the dutch crime reporter has publicly (on his website) announced that he, his team and his show are actively investigating the Holloway case. They are asking for information from people who might have some, people can do this and be sure their identity is protected by the show because that is how mr. de Vries works. It will however be several months I think before the show will air or that we will get some actual news from his show.
Almost time to leave and almost time to come
the aruban legal landscape will radically change in the next few months. Head district attorney Karin Janssen will almost certainly leave the island because in 1 to 3 months she will have done her "tour of duty" on Aruba. Karin Janssen will have finished her three years of being "on loan" to the Aruban Public Prosecutors office in the not too distant future. This will mean that Natalee's case will be handled by another DA who hopefully is a bit more accomodating to the Beth and Dave with regard to information and let's be honest, a bit more courteous to the family.
The other big change is the new dutch police chief who will probably start working earlier than planned (planning was January 2007 but he will most likely start work next month). Hopefully he will revitalize the Aruban police force, weed out the bad apples and start afresh. This will than with any luck mean more co-operative cops on the Holloway case who might actually achieve something (because the cops on the case so far have not produced any usuable results).
Greta van Susteren on Beth's return from the Netherlands interview
I just today saw on youtube the interview that Beth did with Greta upon returning from the Netherlands. It was for the most a very good interview and it showed how pleasant Beth had been treated and that she was at least moderately hopeful.
Greta on the other hand was not that gracious, she was very impatient and showed little realism in her statements at the end. Greta should know how the Arubans work and she should know by know how the dutch legal system works. Even if the Aruban had done their end of the deal immediatly (AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT FOR A SECOND) then it would still have taken some time to get the team on the island. The dutch cops did have a few thousand kilometers to travel before they got to the island and may or may not have been readily available to leave. Planning a cold case team does not happen overnight if you ask me.
And on top of that, dutch law-enforcement wouldn't notify the press when it departed for Aruba, they wouldn't plan press-conferences or have Aruban talking heads spew useless and propagandistic information. Dutch police-officers usually only go public if they have something to report or if they need help from the public. So please Greta, a little patience. It is not like the Netherlands hasn't offered help but if the Arubans are too dumb or stubborn to accept it than we have no legal recourse to force them.
Last but not least (or so I hope) a new video for Natalee
I think it important, if not more important than ever to stand united in our cause and to not let hatred and discourse divide the friends and supporters in 2 camps who battle each other instead of fighting for the truth.
Oh yeah, I hope you all like it.
Rammstein
Thursday, October 26, 2006
Saturday, October 21, 2006
October 21st 2006, for Natalee and her family
On October 21st 1986 Natalee Holloway was born.
On May 30th 2005 she disappeared without a trace while on a school trip on Aruba.
It is now the second birthday that she and her family are not united.
And that should have never happened. Slowly but surely the media attention
for Natalee seems to disappear and that is not OK in my book. You know the saying, out of sight is out of mind. We must strive to never let that happen to Natalee. So let's agree to something right here and right now(call it a pledge/promise/plan I don't care):
We promise to keep her name in the public realm, be it in the media, on the internet or in our personal lives.
We promise that we will not let the Aruban government forget about Natalee or forget their duty to solve her disappearance.
We promise that we will keep a united front in support of her parents (all four of them) because they need our continued support.
We promise to fight for Natalee and her family so that she does not end up as just another statistic.
We promise that we will forever remember Natalee and the wonderful person she is.
And we must promise to support the effort to find her because Natalee has to be found, her family deserves to know where she is and what happened on Aruba that fateful night.
That is what we must promise ourselves and Natalee's loved ones to do.
I also made a video to celebrate and remember Natalee's birthday, you can watch it by clicking the video.
Rammstein
Thursday, October 19, 2006
YES, I AM DAMNED PROUD OF MY COUNTRY
I am proud of our armed forces for they are doing our country proud where-ever they serve.
Whether it is in the hills of Afghanistan where our Special Forces look for Osama and his Al-Qaida buddies right now:
Or Uruzgan where the dutch are fighting the Taliban right here and now (and bring peace and stability to Uruzgan):
Or when they were helping out our friends from the United States after Katrina hit:
And when my brother in law and his fellow soldiers served in Iraq. And on the numerous other military missions my country has provided troops for:
Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Lebanon, Congo, Korean war, Liberia, Burundi, and many many more missions (about 50 in total).
Very proud of my country and it's achievements
And there is much more that I am proud of:
- being the 16th biggest economy in the world for example (wikipedia list of countries by GDP) when we are only the 58th largest country in the world by population.
- the 8th largest exporter in the world (Nationmaster list exports) when being only the 58th largest country in the world by population.
- we are one of the most generous economic aid donors in the world
- the third largest direct investor in the USA
- our culture
- our political system
- our legal system and the fact that we are one of the legal/law centers of the world
- our struggle against the water (Delta Works)
- our royal family (Wikipedia article on dutch royal family)
- our sporting tradition in many sports
and last but not least our wonderful dutch population. And yes, the dutch population is not always terribly proud of the Netherlands. Countries sometimes do things that it's population ought to not be very proud of. And sometimes populations are not happy with the direction their country is going and at that moment they are not proud of their country either.
In my opinion, people should stop mistaking pride with patriotism and love for ones country. I love my country but like any other dutch person sometimes I am not very proud of my country actions and I criticise if harshly whenever it deserves to be criticized harshly and honestly.
This song is from Baas B. (boss B. and Lange Frans (Tall Frans)
and talks about this typical dutch (at least that is my opinion) character trade. I translated the text for you:
I come from the country of Pim Fortuyn and Volkert van der G.,
The country of Theo van Gogh and Mohammed B..
Come from the country of kroketten, frikandellen,
that you can order from here up to the Spanish coast.
Come from the country where Air Max will never go out of fashion,
where you get critized the moment when you are going to make it big.
Come from the country of red-white-blue and the golden lion,
robbing the world and calling it the golden century.
Come from the country of cannabis plantations and cycling events,
the country where you can ask a drug-addict for a bike.
The country that became champions in '88,
the country of "herring eating", dykes and canals.
Come from the country of Tall Frans,
the country I come home to when I have been on vacation.
I come from the country where I was born in 1982,
where I lost the guilder to the euro.
The country that is participating in the war in Iraq,
because Mr. Bush has Balkenende in his pocket.
The country of being stingy,
where giving a round of drinks is too expensive,
the country where you can eat out of the wall at Febo.
The country of riots between Ajax and Feyenoord,
but when our national team plays everybody is each others brother.
The country of Johan Cruijf and Abe Lenstra,
where the fans will not let the lion down.
The land where we hope everyday for better weather,
that Piet Paulusma (weatherman) is someone I don't trust anymore.
The country that has been free since '45
the country where I will stay because I love it there.
I come from the country that you can drive through in three hours,
with another dialect every ten minutes.
I come for a country where on paper there is a place for everybody,
and where XTC is export product number one.
I come from the country where Andre Hazes,
in a hundred years is still the best played artist in every pub.
I come from a country where Peter, Gert-Jan, Raymond and Jutten,
Frans, Bart and Ali run the game.
Come from the country where hiphop is a child of 30 years and older,
and you can decide for yourself how "cool" that really is.
The country where you pay so much tax when you are rich,
that you wonder if it is really worth working that hard.
The country where prostitution and smoking pot is legal,
the country of Sinterklaas and Koninginnedag.
This is the country where I have lost and have been cheated on,
come from the country where I was born and bred.
Come from the country with the most cultures per square meter,
but where one is afraid to go and eat at your next-door neighbor.
And integration is a beautiful word,
But sh*t it is f*cking sad that nobody hears it.
I share my country with Turks and Maroccans,
Antillians, Moluk people and Surinam people.
A country where we keep too much botted up,
and are represented worldwide by Harry Potter.
A country where "apartheid" around the world,
is the best known word from the dutch language.
A country that ticks like a time-bomb,
The country that eats at 6pm and always comes on time.
This is the country where I will be victorious in the end,
when you will all sing this at the edge of the Arena stadium.
And until that time I will proclaim that I have lost my heart,
This one is for the Netherlands, from Baas B. and Lange Frans.
Or in other words, we are a complaining, cantankerous, not very easily pleased bunch of people but we love our country no matter what.
So if anybody belittles my country again (and yes, Michelle, that means you too) realize this, when you point your finger at someone three are pointing backwards at YOU (dutch saying, when you accuse someone you'd better look at yourself first).
Whether it is in the hills of Afghanistan where our Special Forces look for Osama and his Al-Qaida buddies right now:
Or Uruzgan where the dutch are fighting the Taliban right here and now (and bring peace and stability to Uruzgan):
Or when they were helping out our friends from the United States after Katrina hit:
And when my brother in law and his fellow soldiers served in Iraq. And on the numerous other military missions my country has provided troops for:
Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Lebanon, Congo, Korean war, Liberia, Burundi, and many many more missions (about 50 in total).
Very proud of my country and it's achievements
And there is much more that I am proud of:
- being the 16th biggest economy in the world for example (wikipedia list of countries by GDP) when we are only the 58th largest country in the world by population.
- the 8th largest exporter in the world (Nationmaster list exports) when being only the 58th largest country in the world by population.
- we are one of the most generous economic aid donors in the world
- the third largest direct investor in the USA
- our culture
- our political system
- our legal system and the fact that we are one of the legal/law centers of the world
- our struggle against the water (Delta Works)
- our royal family (Wikipedia article on dutch royal family)
- our sporting tradition in many sports
and last but not least our wonderful dutch population. And yes, the dutch population is not always terribly proud of the Netherlands. Countries sometimes do things that it's population ought to not be very proud of. And sometimes populations are not happy with the direction their country is going and at that moment they are not proud of their country either.
In my opinion, people should stop mistaking pride with patriotism and love for ones country. I love my country but like any other dutch person sometimes I am not very proud of my country actions and I criticise if harshly whenever it deserves to be criticized harshly and honestly.
This song is from Baas B. (boss B. and Lange Frans (Tall Frans)
and talks about this typical dutch (at least that is my opinion) character trade. I translated the text for you:
I come from the country of Pim Fortuyn and Volkert van der G.,
The country of Theo van Gogh and Mohammed B..
Come from the country of kroketten, frikandellen,
that you can order from here up to the Spanish coast.
Come from the country where Air Max will never go out of fashion,
where you get critized the moment when you are going to make it big.
Come from the country of red-white-blue and the golden lion,
robbing the world and calling it the golden century.
Come from the country of cannabis plantations and cycling events,
the country where you can ask a drug-addict for a bike.
The country that became champions in '88,
the country of "herring eating", dykes and canals.
Come from the country of Tall Frans,
the country I come home to when I have been on vacation.
I come from the country where I was born in 1982,
where I lost the guilder to the euro.
The country that is participating in the war in Iraq,
because Mr. Bush has Balkenende in his pocket.
The country of being stingy,
where giving a round of drinks is too expensive,
the country where you can eat out of the wall at Febo.
The country of riots between Ajax and Feyenoord,
but when our national team plays everybody is each others brother.
The country of Johan Cruijf and Abe Lenstra,
where the fans will not let the lion down.
The land where we hope everyday for better weather,
that Piet Paulusma (weatherman) is someone I don't trust anymore.
The country that has been free since '45
the country where I will stay because I love it there.
I come from the country that you can drive through in three hours,
with another dialect every ten minutes.
I come for a country where on paper there is a place for everybody,
and where XTC is export product number one.
I come from the country where Andre Hazes,
in a hundred years is still the best played artist in every pub.
I come from a country where Peter, Gert-Jan, Raymond and Jutten,
Frans, Bart and Ali run the game.
Come from the country where hiphop is a child of 30 years and older,
and you can decide for yourself how "cool" that really is.
The country where you pay so much tax when you are rich,
that you wonder if it is really worth working that hard.
The country where prostitution and smoking pot is legal,
the country of Sinterklaas and Koninginnedag.
This is the country where I have lost and have been cheated on,
come from the country where I was born and bred.
Come from the country with the most cultures per square meter,
but where one is afraid to go and eat at your next-door neighbor.
And integration is a beautiful word,
But sh*t it is f*cking sad that nobody hears it.
I share my country with Turks and Maroccans,
Antillians, Moluk people and Surinam people.
A country where we keep too much botted up,
and are represented worldwide by Harry Potter.
A country where "apartheid" around the world,
is the best known word from the dutch language.
A country that ticks like a time-bomb,
The country that eats at 6pm and always comes on time.
This is the country where I will be victorious in the end,
when you will all sing this at the edge of the Arena stadium.
And until that time I will proclaim that I have lost my heart,
This one is for the Netherlands, from Baas B. and Lange Frans.
Or in other words, we are a complaining, cantankerous, not very easily pleased bunch of people but we love our country no matter what.
So if anybody belittles my country again (and yes, Michelle, that means you too) realize this, when you point your finger at someone three are pointing backwards at YOU (dutch saying, when you accuse someone you'd better look at yourself first).
Sunday, October 15, 2006
JUDICIAL-INC IS A HATE-SITE, AND NOTHING THEY SAY SHOULD EVER FIND IT'S WAY ONTO ANY PRO-NATALEE SITE EVER AGAIN!!!!
It is time for another hate site to be exposed (for all those who have missed the warnings I posted previously about this site, I am going to repeat the exposure). It is of Judicial-inc that I am speaking because they are an evil and downright disgusting hate site. For the love of all that is good, even the Refugees had no problem recognising judicial-inc for what it is (just a joke here refugees-readers, meant in jest only) and have put out the word that this site is sick. But for those who didn't have the Refugees powers of observation ;-)
Because for the people who didn't immediatly see the hatred when they opened this site and innocently used information from there, because I can assure you, it is there. On their site you can read stuff like:
And there are a lot of links in the story one can click on. And if those remarks didn't make you somewhat suspicious, one could always click on the links provided in the story and more evidence just pops out at us to indicate that IT IS A HATE SITE!!! For instance if you click the link "establish elite" you will find nice comments like:
And if all of that blantantly obvious anti-jewish rethoric wasn't evidence enough for people, check out their home-page, "Judicial-ink" and you can read that all of the below mentioned events can be linked back (and thus blamed) on either Jews or Israel:
My Soap-box
So, here I am on my soap-box again because I cannot believe that there are people sick enough to use Natalee's disappearance in order to promote their own sick and twisted ideology of anti-semetism.
So bloggers out there on all pro-Natalee site, let us make sure that this hate site never gets mentioned ever again with regard to Natalee Holloway.
A person that is that beautiful, kind and wonderful must never be linked to a subject that is so dark and disgusting as anti-semetism is.
And the people are misusing her tragic story on this hate site, in my honest opinion deserve to be sued for crimes against Natalee's honor and virtue. But because that most likely will not happen, it is up to us to protect Natalee's memory by banishing this hate-site from our memories and never speak of it again.
Rammstein
p.s. Natalee's birthday is only a few days away, make sure you post your birthday-greetings or cards on or before the 21st of October at what-ever blog or site you post on (and again, if you cannot do it there I will make a new blog entry on the 20th of October where you can post your well wishes for Natalee and her loved ones.
JUDICIAL-INC IS AN ANTI-SEMETIC HATE SITE!!!!!
we must make sure, nothing of this sick disgusting anti-jewish propaganda, is ever used on a pro-Natalee Holloway site ever again.
we must make sure, nothing of this sick disgusting anti-jewish propaganda, is ever used on a pro-Natalee Holloway site ever again.
Because for the people who didn't immediatly see the hatred when they opened this site and innocently used information from there, because I can assure you, it is there. On their site you can read stuff like:
- Here is the real animal, a Dutch Jew, who has a checkered past
- His wife, Anita was a bloated aging Jewess
- Adolpho Richardson is now the lead investigator, also Jewish
- lead detective, another Jewish clown
- A Jewish judge stalking casinos
And there are a lot of links in the story one can click on. And if those remarks didn't make you somewhat suspicious, one could always click on the links provided in the story and more evidence just pops out at us to indicate that IT IS A HATE SITE!!! For instance if you click the link "establish elite" you will find nice comments like:
- Van der Sloot is Dutch Jewish...possible descendents of the Caribbean Dutch Jewish slave trade families.
- Van Der Sloot are a family of degenerate Dutch Jews
- Also, Van Der Scheerer the Police Chief, is a Dutch Jew
- It never occured to me that they were all Jewish
- A smug young Jewish psychopath
- Being a Jew is only part of what Joran is
- Being Jewish has nothing to do with being a killer unless you are mentally ill Jew wjich imo Joran is
- Croes were dutch jews
- Aruba's resorts are 100% Jewish Mob owned
- Joran's Jewish crowd
- Jewish drug dealers
- Mansur's are turkish jews
- Curacao also acts as a reception point for the Dutch Jewish ecstasy trade.
And if all of that blantantly obvious anti-jewish rethoric wasn't evidence enough for people, check out their home-page, "Judicial-ink" and you can read that all of the below mentioned events can be linked back (and thus blamed) on either Jews or Israel:
- Columbine
- Iraq
- Duke Rape case
- world war 2
- Princes Diana's death
- Toronto school shooting
- XTC
- afghani opium trade
- Iraqi death squads
- many more world events (too numerous to mention but they are on this hate-website)
My Soap-box
So, here I am on my soap-box again because I cannot believe that there are people sick enough to use Natalee's disappearance in order to promote their own sick and twisted ideology of anti-semetism.So bloggers out there on all pro-Natalee site, let us make sure that this hate site never gets mentioned ever again with regard to Natalee Holloway.
A person that is that beautiful, kind and wonderful must never be linked to a subject that is so dark and disgusting as anti-semetism is.
And the people are misusing her tragic story on this hate site, in my honest opinion deserve to be sued for crimes against Natalee's honor and virtue. But because that most likely will not happen, it is up to us to protect Natalee's memory by banishing this hate-site from our memories and never speak of it again.
Rammstein
p.s. Natalee's birthday is only a few days away, make sure you post your birthday-greetings or cards on or before the 21st of October at what-ever blog or site you post on (and again, if you cannot do it there I will make a new blog entry on the 20th of October where you can post your well wishes for Natalee and her loved ones.
Friday, October 13, 2006
Questions and answers about the Kalpoes new court case
that is, if we believe Freedom of Blog when they report that the 2 Kalpoe brothers will be asking the judge to remove them as suspects.
A few members of BFN have been debating this question and I thought I would have a peruse through the legal books of the Netherlands in an attempt to find the answers (where possible) to a few questions that were asked and a few that I can think of myself.
Question 1. If they are no longer suspects, can they what they know?
answer: They may no longer be (active) suspects but that does not mean they cannot be prosecuted. If they had knowledge of criminal acts or if they actually participated in criminal acts then they still can be prosecuted for them.
Question 2. The suspects lied, they obstructed the investigation, how can they possibly be cleared?
answer: They may have lied, but even lies that they made as witnesses are seen as statements made by the suspects because they later became suspects. And as we know, lying to the police as a suspect is not illegal. Now lying under oath would have been a crime, even when one is a suspect. But I am pretty sure they have never been questioned under oath and thus perjury charges are impossible.
And as any obstruction is concerned, it would have been the result of statements that they made as suspects, and to me it is unclear whether or not they can be prosecuted for that (my legal knowledge is not that specific). But then again, the punishment for that is only a few months in jail and should not radically change their chances of being cleared from being a suspect in Natalee's disappearance.
Question 3. The suspects lied, they got 2 innocent men arrested. Isn't that a crime?
answer: falsely accusing someone and landing them in jail is a crime in the Netherlands that does carry prison sentence for the perpetrators. But for that to be possible in this case would only be possible if Deepak and Satish accused the 2 security guards of having comitted a crime. Something that they did not do. They only said a man, a black man to be specific, with a walkie talkie approached Natalee and talked to her. That the police later arrested 2 security guards may have been the result of Deepak and Satish mentioning that they had seen a security guard talking to Natalee but nothing else.
The police did the rest completely on their own. Even though they did/should have known that the videotape showed no Natalee and no security guard. For this mentioning of the security guard the Kalpoes cannot be prosecuted because they did not accuse this person of doing something illegal.
Question 4. How will this request for removal as suspect work?
answer: The lawyer for the Kalpoes will petition the court to remove his clients as suspects in the case (using article 36 WvSv). The judge will do a few things before he makes his ruling. The judge has to inform himself/herself about how far the DA is with regard to prosecuting the suspect(s). If the DA can reasonably prove in court that prosecution of this case is still on the table with regard to these 2 suspects, then a judge can put the request by the laywers of the suspect(s) "on hold" for a reasonable amount of time (not talking 5 years or several decades here but as long as he deems fit).
This would mean that the request for being removed as a suspect will be taken at a later date when the judge becomes convinced that prosecution is not going to take place.
Question 5. What will most likely happen in this case, with the Kalpoes?
answer: That is a tricky one. Although the Kalpoes initially lied to the police (making them viable suspects) in the beginning of this case, within the first 2 weeks of the investigation, when they were requestioned, they did tell what likely could be the truth. They were so effective in their testimonies that they were released months before Joran was released.
So, one might contend that the statements they had given could not be broken by the police and that with no forensic evidence of a crime, or any testimonial evidence implicating them of any crime, they have a good chance of being stricken off as suspects in this case.
The judge might decide to "hold" the case over if the DA has evidence that suggest a prosecution of the 2 is in the works but so far we have seen little or no evidence of that.
Question 6. Will they be able to sue for damages because they were held for a lot longer than Paul van der Sloot? And if they do, do they stand to make a substantial amount of money?
answer: That is highly likely. But, unlike Paul van der Sloot (of which three courts found that there were no legal grounds under which the police could have arrested him), the Kalpoes have a big problem. They lied to the police, hindering the investigation by their lies and they continued to lie when they were arrested as suspects.
That means that they bear a great responsibility for their detention themselves. Also the loss of their image/reputation is less than that of Paul van der Sloot and again, they damaged their image/reputation by having lied and that cannot be blamed on the police/government.
So all in all, their compensation will most likely be nowhere as high as Paul van der Sloot got.
Question 7. Is there a dutch law that says that someone is culpable the last person to be seen with a someone that goes missing?
answer: To the best of my knowledge (and I did check our criminal law books on this) there is no such law. And that would be logical because one can only be held culpable for something if one is found culpable or guilty. And one cannot be guilty/culpable by default. The state has to prove legally and convincingly that someone is guilty/culpable.
Just like in the US legal system the burdon of proof has to be provided by the State. Any suspect is innocent until proven otherwise and reversal of evidenciary obligations is just not allowed in our system. And it would indeed be crazy to create a legal system where it is up to a suspect/accused to prove his innocence, and we might be a bit daft in the Netherlands, but our legal system does not work like that.
Question 8. What if this law existed and they have subsequently changed it?
answer: Suspects can only be prosecuted using laws that were in our legal code books when the crime was comitted/when he was arrested. Laws that are subsequently removed should have no bearing on the prosecutions chances for conviction because the law was valid when the crime was comitted. But as such a law never existed to begin with, it could have never been removed ;-)
Anyway, as said, one can only be prosecuted for crimes that are in the legal books at the time of the crime. This to prevent politicians from later making illegal something that was not illegal previously. In that case only people arrested after the law became legal can be prosecuted for it. Backdating laws to enable prosecution of crimes is not possible.
Question 9. Does that mean that they have been cleared of all wrong-doing and cannot be prosecuted anymore?
answer: No, to get a misunderstanding out of the way, the Kalpoes will not be cleared. They will be removed as suspects.
And as they aren't cleared they can still be prosecuted at a later date. I have looked long and hard in the legal books of the Netherlands and if I am not mistaken I have found the corresponding law with regard to this. It is also part of the WvSv (legal book of court/legal proceedings) and it is in article 255. This article says that those who were removed as suspects can only be re-adressed as suspects if "new facts" come to the table.
And if I understand correctly, those new facts in the lawbook are discribed as:
statements of witnesses or the suspects, or court documents/case files or police statements, that were discoved/gathered at a later date or had not been investigated previously.
And that would mean (again with my limited legal understanding) that any new evidence found by the dutch police or facts uncovered by the dutch police which were already known but not investigated previously, can still lead to arrests and prosecution of the Kalpoes.
THE NEW E-MAIL WRITING CAMPAIGN I MENTIONED YESTERDAY
That is still in the pipeline but it will take me at least one or 2 more days to get all the e-mail adresses for all the politicians we should target. And I also have to construct a text that uses the proper terms and remarks one would adress a leader of a political party with.
Rammstein
A few members of BFN have been debating this question and I thought I would have a peruse through the legal books of the Netherlands in an attempt to find the answers (where possible) to a few questions that were asked and a few that I can think of myself.
Question 1. If they are no longer suspects, can they what they know?
answer: They may no longer be (active) suspects but that does not mean they cannot be prosecuted. If they had knowledge of criminal acts or if they actually participated in criminal acts then they still can be prosecuted for them.
Question 2. The suspects lied, they obstructed the investigation, how can they possibly be cleared?
answer: They may have lied, but even lies that they made as witnesses are seen as statements made by the suspects because they later became suspects. And as we know, lying to the police as a suspect is not illegal. Now lying under oath would have been a crime, even when one is a suspect. But I am pretty sure they have never been questioned under oath and thus perjury charges are impossible.
And as any obstruction is concerned, it would have been the result of statements that they made as suspects, and to me it is unclear whether or not they can be prosecuted for that (my legal knowledge is not that specific). But then again, the punishment for that is only a few months in jail and should not radically change their chances of being cleared from being a suspect in Natalee's disappearance.
Question 3. The suspects lied, they got 2 innocent men arrested. Isn't that a crime?
answer: falsely accusing someone and landing them in jail is a crime in the Netherlands that does carry prison sentence for the perpetrators. But for that to be possible in this case would only be possible if Deepak and Satish accused the 2 security guards of having comitted a crime. Something that they did not do. They only said a man, a black man to be specific, with a walkie talkie approached Natalee and talked to her. That the police later arrested 2 security guards may have been the result of Deepak and Satish mentioning that they had seen a security guard talking to Natalee but nothing else.
The police did the rest completely on their own. Even though they did/should have known that the videotape showed no Natalee and no security guard. For this mentioning of the security guard the Kalpoes cannot be prosecuted because they did not accuse this person of doing something illegal.
Question 4. How will this request for removal as suspect work?
answer: The lawyer for the Kalpoes will petition the court to remove his clients as suspects in the case (using article 36 WvSv). The judge will do a few things before he makes his ruling. The judge has to inform himself/herself about how far the DA is with regard to prosecuting the suspect(s). If the DA can reasonably prove in court that prosecution of this case is still on the table with regard to these 2 suspects, then a judge can put the request by the laywers of the suspect(s) "on hold" for a reasonable amount of time (not talking 5 years or several decades here but as long as he deems fit).
This would mean that the request for being removed as a suspect will be taken at a later date when the judge becomes convinced that prosecution is not going to take place.
Question 5. What will most likely happen in this case, with the Kalpoes?
answer: That is a tricky one. Although the Kalpoes initially lied to the police (making them viable suspects) in the beginning of this case, within the first 2 weeks of the investigation, when they were requestioned, they did tell what likely could be the truth. They were so effective in their testimonies that they were released months before Joran was released.
So, one might contend that the statements they had given could not be broken by the police and that with no forensic evidence of a crime, or any testimonial evidence implicating them of any crime, they have a good chance of being stricken off as suspects in this case.
The judge might decide to "hold" the case over if the DA has evidence that suggest a prosecution of the 2 is in the works but so far we have seen little or no evidence of that.
Question 6. Will they be able to sue for damages because they were held for a lot longer than Paul van der Sloot? And if they do, do they stand to make a substantial amount of money?
answer: That is highly likely. But, unlike Paul van der Sloot (of which three courts found that there were no legal grounds under which the police could have arrested him), the Kalpoes have a big problem. They lied to the police, hindering the investigation by their lies and they continued to lie when they were arrested as suspects.
That means that they bear a great responsibility for their detention themselves. Also the loss of their image/reputation is less than that of Paul van der Sloot and again, they damaged their image/reputation by having lied and that cannot be blamed on the police/government.
So all in all, their compensation will most likely be nowhere as high as Paul van der Sloot got.
Question 7. Is there a dutch law that says that someone is culpable the last person to be seen with a someone that goes missing?
answer: To the best of my knowledge (and I did check our criminal law books on this) there is no such law. And that would be logical because one can only be held culpable for something if one is found culpable or guilty. And one cannot be guilty/culpable by default. The state has to prove legally and convincingly that someone is guilty/culpable.
Just like in the US legal system the burdon of proof has to be provided by the State. Any suspect is innocent until proven otherwise and reversal of evidenciary obligations is just not allowed in our system. And it would indeed be crazy to create a legal system where it is up to a suspect/accused to prove his innocence, and we might be a bit daft in the Netherlands, but our legal system does not work like that.
Question 8. What if this law existed and they have subsequently changed it?
answer: Suspects can only be prosecuted using laws that were in our legal code books when the crime was comitted/when he was arrested. Laws that are subsequently removed should have no bearing on the prosecutions chances for conviction because the law was valid when the crime was comitted. But as such a law never existed to begin with, it could have never been removed ;-)
Anyway, as said, one can only be prosecuted for crimes that are in the legal books at the time of the crime. This to prevent politicians from later making illegal something that was not illegal previously. In that case only people arrested after the law became legal can be prosecuted for it. Backdating laws to enable prosecution of crimes is not possible.
Question 9. Does that mean that they have been cleared of all wrong-doing and cannot be prosecuted anymore?
answer: No, to get a misunderstanding out of the way, the Kalpoes will not be cleared. They will be removed as suspects.
And as they aren't cleared they can still be prosecuted at a later date. I have looked long and hard in the legal books of the Netherlands and if I am not mistaken I have found the corresponding law with regard to this. It is also part of the WvSv (legal book of court/legal proceedings) and it is in article 255. This article says that those who were removed as suspects can only be re-adressed as suspects if "new facts" come to the table.
And if I understand correctly, those new facts in the lawbook are discribed as:
statements of witnesses or the suspects, or court documents/case files or police statements, that were discoved/gathered at a later date or had not been investigated previously.
And that would mean (again with my limited legal understanding) that any new evidence found by the dutch police or facts uncovered by the dutch police which were already known but not investigated previously, can still lead to arrests and prosecution of the Kalpoes.
THE NEW E-MAIL WRITING CAMPAIGN I MENTIONED YESTERDAY
That is still in the pipeline but it will take me at least one or 2 more days to get all the e-mail adresses for all the politicians we should target. And I also have to construct a text that uses the proper terms and remarks one would adress a leader of a political party with.
Rammstein
Thursday, October 12, 2006
Again, a slow day today with regard to news about Natalee or the case
TOURISM FIGURES
Tourism figures came out yesterday about Aruba, all you who are interested in such things can check them out at:
New Tourism Figures Aruba
I also read today that the new dutch chief of police will start working on Aruba at the beginning of next month. Hopefully he will be able to give the dutch cold case team all the additional tools it needs to be succesfull. Who knows what the "old guard" might have put up in the way of roadblocks for the dutch investigators if they had still been running the game on Aruba.
QUEEN BEATRIX TO VISIT ARUBA AND THE ANTILLES
hopefully the trip our queen is going to undertake will bring the dutch media in droves to Aruba. With any luck we can get our cause back into the media, at least in the Netherlands.
I don't doubt that the press will at least report on Natalee's disappearance when they are covering the queens visit to Aruba.
Our queen will also be celebrating that in 1776, on the 16th of November, the dutch island of St. Eustasius (part of the dutch kingdom) was the first country to recognise the newly free and sovereign United States of America. She will be doing this by the unveiling of a scale-model of that first American ship to get the official salute from St. Eustasius, the Andrew Doria.
POSSIBLE NEW WRITING CAMPAIGN TO CONSIDER
as some of you might know the Dutch will be to electing a new parliament soon. In the past we have written to members of the government but at this time that would be a waste of time because in weeks they will resign their posts.
Maybe, just maybe it would be smart to begin an e-mail campaign directed at the party leaders of the main political parties in the Netherlands. We can ask them to make sure (even in parliament because they get to ask the government questions) that the dutch police make haste with going over to Aruba to start the first "real professional" investigation into Natalee's disappearance.
We can also ask them to speak on Natalee's behalf (and Natalee's parents) in parliament. For example they can ask in parliament when the police will finally go to Aruba and stuff like that.
In this picture, you can see two of the most powerful men in the Netherlands, the party leaders of the 2 biggest political movements in the Netherlands (PvdA, the social democratic movement and CDA, the christian center movement).
If this new possible campaign for getting Natalee's case out there is going to be succesful these 2 men must certainly be on our e-mailing list.
So if people think this is a good idea I will start to track all the party-leaders e-mail adresses and even write an example letter (one made in both Dutch and English) asking these leaders to step up to the plate for Natalee because in our political system these party-leaders are the most powerful people in the country.
I will update on this and all other issues pending tomorrow.
Rammstein
Tourism figures came out yesterday about Aruba, all you who are interested in such things can check them out at:
New Tourism Figures Aruba
I also read today that the new dutch chief of police will start working on Aruba at the beginning of next month. Hopefully he will be able to give the dutch cold case team all the additional tools it needs to be succesfull. Who knows what the "old guard" might have put up in the way of roadblocks for the dutch investigators if they had still been running the game on Aruba.
QUEEN BEATRIX TO VISIT ARUBA AND THE ANTILLES
hopefully the trip our queen is going to undertake will bring the dutch media in droves to Aruba. With any luck we can get our cause back into the media, at least in the Netherlands.I don't doubt that the press will at least report on Natalee's disappearance when they are covering the queens visit to Aruba.
Our queen will also be celebrating that in 1776, on the 16th of November, the dutch island of St. Eustasius (part of the dutch kingdom) was the first country to recognise the newly free and sovereign United States of America. She will be doing this by the unveiling of a scale-model of that first American ship to get the official salute from St. Eustasius, the Andrew Doria.
POSSIBLE NEW WRITING CAMPAIGN TO CONSIDER
as some of you might know the Dutch will be to electing a new parliament soon. In the past we have written to members of the government but at this time that would be a waste of time because in weeks they will resign their posts.
Maybe, just maybe it would be smart to begin an e-mail campaign directed at the party leaders of the main political parties in the Netherlands. We can ask them to make sure (even in parliament because they get to ask the government questions) that the dutch police make haste with going over to Aruba to start the first "real professional" investigation into Natalee's disappearance.
We can also ask them to speak on Natalee's behalf (and Natalee's parents) in parliament. For example they can ask in parliament when the police will finally go to Aruba and stuff like that.
In this picture, you can see two of the most powerful men in the Netherlands, the party leaders of the 2 biggest political movements in the Netherlands (PvdA, the social democratic movement and CDA, the christian center movement).If this new possible campaign for getting Natalee's case out there is going to be succesful these 2 men must certainly be on our e-mailing list.
So if people think this is a good idea I will start to track all the party-leaders e-mail adresses and even write an example letter (one made in both Dutch and English) asking these leaders to step up to the plate for Natalee because in our political system these party-leaders are the most powerful people in the country.
I will update on this and all other issues pending tomorrow.
Rammstein
Wednesday, October 11, 2006
Enough is enough!!!
I have been drudging through the distasteful posts today. Unfortunatly it seems the stupid people out there on the 2 most active "Family Bash-sites" are unable to better their evil ways.
Today I have seen very rotten remarks being made about Dave, Beth, Robin and Jug and I ask myself why? Why can people not write honest and respectful posts in which they state why they disagree with something these 4 people have done.
WHY MUST IT ALMOST ALWAYS BE DONE WITH SO MUCH DISRESPECT TOWARDS BETH, JUG, DAVE AND ROBIN?
Why? I know there are plenty of people who are against the boycott, or who disagree with remarks/accusations made in the media regarding this case and regarding the guilt of the 3 known and most likely suspects, but would it kill you to voice those opinions respectfully? Why must you try to offend people to the core of their being, by making remarks and using pictures that are filled with hatred and disrespect? Don't you have the verbal skills to effectively post your opinion or are you such a poor excuse for a human being that you enjoy inflicting pain?
Why the need to put up disgusting images of Beth Twitty? Too much time on your hands maybe? No discernable morals present? Or do you think your sick sense of humor is funny? When I see such pure hatred towards a human being, who has done you absolutely nothing then I feel sad and disgusted. I feel sad for Beth because she has to witness such deprevation and I feel disgusted because I know there are people out there that think such behaviour is acceptable.
I also know there are people who keep insulting 2 of Natalee's loved ones (Dave and Robin) for no good reasons whatsoever on a blog that supposedly is there to get Justice for Natalee and to spread the word about the voluntary tourism boycot against Aruba.
In my honest opinion they fail on both accounts, they are not getting Justice for Natalee because they are doing everything in the world that Natalee would never do or never approve of, things like:
1. spreading hatred
2. attacking her father and her stepmother
3. not spreading the word of a voluntary travel boycott but attempting to shove it through everyones throat because in the eyes of these boycott-bloggers you are not supporting the family or Natalee if you aren't totally boycott obsessed like they are
4. dividing the supporters of Natalee by their actions
On this blog too words of pure evil are spoken. But here the hatred and disgusting remarks are solely directed at Robin and Dave (yes Dave gets insulted just as much as Robin does because if you insult a man's wife, you insult him too). I can almost daily read the ramblings of a couple of really unintelligent and/or depraved people there. People who have almost certainly never actually spoken or interacted with these 2 lovely people, yet they keep writing the vilest lies and accusations about them and it makes me sick to my stomach and really really angry. I must say that such evilness towards the 2 of the 4 parents of Natalee Holloway is totally unacceptable and I would like to wager a bet that all 4 of Natalee's parents would agree with me on that one.
The future
So what will the future hold? I don't know. I really don't. I would like to believe that people will see the error of their ways and stop posting the insulting and evil rubbish they have been spewing so far. Because for those who have forgotten it, we are here because of Natalee:
We are all here because of Natalee Holloway. And we are supposed to be here for her 4 parents. We are supposed to support Beth, Jug, Dave and Robin because these people have been robbed of one of the most precious things a human being will ever know, the love of their child.
And that loss is compounded by the fact that they don't know where she is and by the fact that who-ever is responsible for the disappearance of their lovely child is still not behind bars where he belongs /they belong.
Look at these pictures and you will see LOVE. Nothing more and nothing less. And it doesn't matter whether we look at pictues of Dave and Natalee, of Beth and Natalee, of Robin and Natalee or of Jug and Natalee, you can see the LOVE in their eyes on these pictures and if you have a modicum of empathy, you can almost feel the love they felt for one another.
These people have been robbed of their future with Natalee, and it is so sad to see that people cannot respect them and Natalee enough to stop the hatred towards these four parents.
Dave, Jug, Beth and Robin loved Natalee and they loved Natalee with all their heart. Natalee loved her 2 step-siblings and her 2 half-sisters dearly every bit as much they loved her back. Natalee's life was about love, not about hatred. So please, for the person that Natalee is/was, stop disrespecting her loved ones.
And a message for those bloggers/posters who have been recently trying to drive a wedge between these 4 parents, you can stop trying because there is no chance in hell that you will ever succeed in doing that. You will never succeed because when it comes to Natalee, Beth/Jug/Dave and Robin are a united front. United in their love for Natalee and united in their goals and actions.
Rammstein
p.s. I would like to thank Debbie, my dear friend for making the wonderful picture collage. She is much more talented at that then I am so she was so kind to make this one for us.
Thanks Debbie.
Today I have seen very rotten remarks being made about Dave, Beth, Robin and Jug and I ask myself why? Why can people not write honest and respectful posts in which they state why they disagree with something these 4 people have done.
WHY MUST IT ALMOST ALWAYS BE DONE WITH SO MUCH DISRESPECT TOWARDS BETH, JUG, DAVE AND ROBIN?
Why? I know there are plenty of people who are against the boycott, or who disagree with remarks/accusations made in the media regarding this case and regarding the guilt of the 3 known and most likely suspects, but would it kill you to voice those opinions respectfully? Why must you try to offend people to the core of their being, by making remarks and using pictures that are filled with hatred and disrespect? Don't you have the verbal skills to effectively post your opinion or are you such a poor excuse for a human being that you enjoy inflicting pain?
Why the need to put up disgusting images of Beth Twitty? Too much time on your hands maybe? No discernable morals present? Or do you think your sick sense of humor is funny? When I see such pure hatred towards a human being, who has done you absolutely nothing then I feel sad and disgusted. I feel sad for Beth because she has to witness such deprevation and I feel disgusted because I know there are people out there that think such behaviour is acceptable.
I also know there are people who keep insulting 2 of Natalee's loved ones (Dave and Robin) for no good reasons whatsoever on a blog that supposedly is there to get Justice for Natalee and to spread the word about the voluntary tourism boycot against Aruba.
In my honest opinion they fail on both accounts, they are not getting Justice for Natalee because they are doing everything in the world that Natalee would never do or never approve of, things like:
1. spreading hatred
2. attacking her father and her stepmother
3. not spreading the word of a voluntary travel boycott but attempting to shove it through everyones throat because in the eyes of these boycott-bloggers you are not supporting the family or Natalee if you aren't totally boycott obsessed like they are
4. dividing the supporters of Natalee by their actions
On this blog too words of pure evil are spoken. But here the hatred and disgusting remarks are solely directed at Robin and Dave (yes Dave gets insulted just as much as Robin does because if you insult a man's wife, you insult him too). I can almost daily read the ramblings of a couple of really unintelligent and/or depraved people there. People who have almost certainly never actually spoken or interacted with these 2 lovely people, yet they keep writing the vilest lies and accusations about them and it makes me sick to my stomach and really really angry. I must say that such evilness towards the 2 of the 4 parents of Natalee Holloway is totally unacceptable and I would like to wager a bet that all 4 of Natalee's parents would agree with me on that one.
The future
So what will the future hold? I don't know. I really don't. I would like to believe that people will see the error of their ways and stop posting the insulting and evil rubbish they have been spewing so far. Because for those who have forgotten it, we are here because of Natalee:
We are all here because of Natalee Holloway. And we are supposed to be here for her 4 parents. We are supposed to support Beth, Jug, Dave and Robin because these people have been robbed of one of the most precious things a human being will ever know, the love of their child.And that loss is compounded by the fact that they don't know where she is and by the fact that who-ever is responsible for the disappearance of their lovely child is still not behind bars where he belongs /they belong.
Look at these pictures and you will see LOVE. Nothing more and nothing less. And it doesn't matter whether we look at pictues of Dave and Natalee, of Beth and Natalee, of Robin and Natalee or of Jug and Natalee, you can see the LOVE in their eyes on these pictures and if you have a modicum of empathy, you can almost feel the love they felt for one another.
These people have been robbed of their future with Natalee, and it is so sad to see that people cannot respect them and Natalee enough to stop the hatred towards these four parents.
Dave, Jug, Beth and Robin loved Natalee and they loved Natalee with all their heart. Natalee loved her 2 step-siblings and her 2 half-sisters dearly every bit as much they loved her back. Natalee's life was about love, not about hatred. So please, for the person that Natalee is/was, stop disrespecting her loved ones.
And a message for those bloggers/posters who have been recently trying to drive a wedge between these 4 parents, you can stop trying because there is no chance in hell that you will ever succeed in doing that. You will never succeed because when it comes to Natalee, Beth/Jug/Dave and Robin are a united front. United in their love for Natalee and united in their goals and actions.
Rammstein
p.s. I would like to thank Debbie, my dear friend for making the wonderful picture collage. She is much more talented at that then I am so she was so kind to make this one for us.
Thanks Debbie.
Tuesday, October 10, 2006
Request regarding Natalee's upcoming birthday
for all you blog-readers please remember that on October 21st it will be Natalee's birthday and I would hope that all you of will post a birthday wish for Natalee and her parents on whatever blog you frequent. I know Debbie has already made a thread for this purpose, and I hope that all other sites will do the same, if your particular blog does not have a thread for this then feel free to leave your good wishes for Natalee's birthday here.
BFN's birthday wishes can be found on the following address
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=5172.0
We as an internet community of people who care about Natalee must make sure that Natalee will not be forgotten and if we must then we will congratulate her every year on her birthday until she is found and home with her loved ones. And I don't care if you are a Refugee or an Arubanboycott blogger, in this we should all be able to unite.
Make sure she will not be forgotten, especially not on her birthday.
p.s. please, if you would be so kind to not forget to include Natalee's family (Beth, Jug, Dave, Robin and Natalee's brothers and sisters) in your birthday wishes to Natalee, they need to know we are still with them and that we will be with them for as long as it takes.
Rammstein
BFN's birthday wishes can be found on the following address
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=5172.0
We as an internet community of people who care about Natalee must make sure that Natalee will not be forgotten and if we must then we will congratulate her every year on her birthday until she is found and home with her loved ones. And I don't care if you are a Refugee or an Arubanboycott blogger, in this we should all be able to unite.
Make sure she will not be forgotten, especially not on her birthday.
p.s. please, if you would be so kind to not forget to include Natalee's family (Beth, Jug, Dave, Robin and Natalee's brothers and sisters) in your birthday wishes to Natalee, they need to know we are still with them and that we will be with them for as long as it takes.
Rammstein
Not much to report today
but I just wanted to say that the cold case team will become a reality if the dutch are allowed to go into Aruba and do what they need to do, but that will be down to Aruba, not the Netherlands.
We don't know if Aruba has done all it was supposed to do to make it possible for the dutch to take over (legally and all that) or that they have handed over all the files pertaining to the case.
Now IF Aruba did all that it was supposed to do (to make it possible for the dutch to take over) then for all we know the dutch cold case team might be reading up on the case or they might already be there. We don't know and if the Aruban press/Aruban government isn't going to make it public then we will only find out whether the dutch police is already on Aruba, is when the arrests/interrogations start happening.
The dutch police does not make public announcements when they are doing an investigation. 9 times out of 10 they will only go public in a case if they need help from the public (for information), if something of major significance happened in a case (like confessions etc.) or when they have solved the case.
In my honest opinion it is best to leave criminals in the dark until it is too late and the criminals not knowing how far the police is or whether they are already being watched is not a bad thing if you ask me and let's just hope that the people guilty of whatever happened to Natalee are starting to get really worried.
Hopefully we will find out whether the dutch police has been cleared to work on Aruba or that they have started arresting people so that Beth, Jug, Dave and Robin can finally find out the truth.
Rammstein
We don't know if Aruba has done all it was supposed to do to make it possible for the dutch to take over (legally and all that) or that they have handed over all the files pertaining to the case.
Now IF Aruba did all that it was supposed to do (to make it possible for the dutch to take over) then for all we know the dutch cold case team might be reading up on the case or they might already be there. We don't know and if the Aruban press/Aruban government isn't going to make it public then we will only find out whether the dutch police is already on Aruba, is when the arrests/interrogations start happening.
The dutch police does not make public announcements when they are doing an investigation. 9 times out of 10 they will only go public in a case if they need help from the public (for information), if something of major significance happened in a case (like confessions etc.) or when they have solved the case.
In my honest opinion it is best to leave criminals in the dark until it is too late and the criminals not knowing how far the police is or whether they are already being watched is not a bad thing if you ask me and let's just hope that the people guilty of whatever happened to Natalee are starting to get really worried.
Hopefully we will find out whether the dutch police has been cleared to work on Aruba or that they have started arresting people so that Beth, Jug, Dave and Robin can finally find out the truth.
Rammstein
Monday, October 09, 2006
Sorry, I had to change the appearance of my blog
Just now I had a real D'OH moment.
I had just realized that I had unwittingly chosen the exact same layout/colors for my blog that Arubanboycott.blogspot is using. Oopsie, what a mistake to make LOL. So I re-jigged the colors and now we look nothing like "the other site".
Poor Meri, totally lost her grasp on reality (and no, I am not talking about our forum-member Reality here)
Yesterday I read this little piece of opinionated crap (sorry but I could not come up with a better discription of this dribble) on distasteful-central:
At Sat Oct 07, 08:52:10 PM EDT, Meri said...
To clear up some misinformation that is being spread around the Internet I wanted to explain a few things.
I blogged about MIP6 (Mark Purcell and his many other names), and Reality (and his many other names) because they can have a direct impact on this boycott movement. MIP6 has been encouraging people to "invest" in Aruba and he works on Aruba and is friendly with Julia Renfro so my exposing him for the anti-boycott, anti Holloway/Twitty poster that he is, was important and necessary.
My reasons for doing a very short blog on Reality are also obvious because he has said many negative things about one of Natalee's family members on various sites.
I NEVER attempted to "Out" Rammenstein (or whatever names he may go by) because he is simply NOT important and is NO threat to this movement. He is simply a man who likes to hear the sound of his own voice (or read his own words in this case) and is of no importance to me whatsoever. I did have a Dutch citizen from The Netherlands who TEACHES English as a second language translate a couple of the documents that Ramm claims to have translated and this TEACHER found several errors in the translations. Errors that could and did change the relevance of the document. That may have occurred because Ramm is not proficient in his own language or for some nefarious reason unknown to me. I simply don't care about Mr. Rammenstien and yet he protests and protests about what I have written. He is not even a part of what I have written yet he places himself in the center of everything for whatever reasons he may have.
I am guessing that Mr. Rammenstien needs a lot of attention and I feel sorry for him.
Anyone who opposes the boycott opposes the family of Natalee in my opinion and deserves to be exposed. That would include MIP6 and Reality so I spoke about them. No matter who the family member is, my goal is to support them and the boycott movement and if by telling the TRUTH about who opposes it helps, then that is what I must do.
Aruba lied. Aruba let the family and Natalee down and as a result of their actions we have no answers regarding what happened to Natalee Holloway.
The boycott is a tool to make them realize that we are serious about finding the truth and that we won't stop until we do. They have a choice; they can tell what they REALLY know and let the truth come out in its entirety or they can continue to lie and cover-up.
As long as they do the latter we will boycott them and make them pay for their behavior in the only way that is productive. Boycotting Aruba is necessary until the truth is known.
Mr. Rammenstien can yammer all he wants to and lie about things he knows nothing about till the cows come home and it won't stop this movement nor will it stop me. He has sufficiently exposed himself in his own words so it is not necessary for me to belabor the point. He is what he is and all who have read his so-called Bio know the facts.
The boycott is for Natalee and her family and it will go forward. Poor Ramm has NO power to stop it and his words are hollow. I have been sent several copies of his recent blogs and if they hadn't of been so laughable I would have cried out in pity at his lack of accurate information.
Oh, and one more thing Ramm, people drink BEER...NOT BEARS. You really should take an English class before you continue to bill yourself as a translator of any language into English.
Meri
Well, I always knew Meri had a few issues with reality but I never knew they were this big LOL LOL LOL.
So here goes:
1. I do love the sound of my own keyboard, but don't you have that problem too?? Furthermore, I don't try to be important to you or anyone else, I stick to trying to be myself and telling the truth as I know/see it.
2. I don't doubt you showed a few translations to that teacher friend of yours, but I have a sneaky suspicion that you showed him translations that were not done by me, but by the good folks over at Scared Monkeys (ask Michelle about that one). And yes, in the translations made by Scared Monkeys, there were serious imperfections in translating that did change the meaning of the document.
My translations on the other hand did not contain any mistakes like that (mabye a few grammatical errors but no translating errors). So either you got it wrong (again) and gave the poor guy the wrong statements (statements that were not translated by me) or you should ask that person to contact me. I give private english lessons to remedial students (even if they teach English as a second language).
3. I might protest at what you write, but it has nothing to do with the boycott or you. It is just that from time to time someone has to speak up and expose your lies, your hatred and you getting facts wrong time and time again, and I have a problem keeping my keyboard silent when I read absolute hog-wash so I just have to speak up.
And I am often quite right to speak up in the face of so much inaccuracy, the above post for example clearly proves that you often blog like a headless chicken because you missed my personality discription by a country mile.
4. and if someone should talk about attention grabbing, try this one on for size regarding that one:
5. there is one thing I can agree on and that is this:
The aruban police-force has lied IMHO, on top of that, they have done a really crappy job on this investigation (can't really say how I feel about their level of "expertise" because that would be riddled with profanity and I should rather try not to go down that road) and their incompetence has been the primary cause that this case is still unsolved and that the parents of Natalee (all 4 of them) are still without the answers that they deserve. How much of this incompetence is down to corruption is a matter for another investigation to determine, I have suspicions and indications pointing to this but that is not the same as being able to prove it so I will err on the side of caution here.
The aruban government (who may not be able to dictate the actions taken in the investigation but is still politically responsible) should feel the consequences of their actions but as I have said before, I think that the wrong people are getting punished/hit by this boycott that don't deserve to be hit by this (the regular folks on Aruba).
It is however the fault of the Aruban government that it has not yet started an investigation into it's own failings. It should have founded/started an independant group of experts to investigate the failings in this case in order to find out who failed Aruba, the Holloway/Twitty families and most importantly, who failed Natalee.
The results of such an investigation would undoubtedly show how incredibly inept, incompetent and downright incredibly stupid this case has been handled since day one. And that should cost both Mr. Oduber and mr. Croes their jobs (along with a good part of the police-officers who have been working on this case).
But even though I may feel differently about this boycott then other people (and I do say that if asked), I fully agree with the fact that each man/woman must decide for him-/her-self whether to join the tourism-boycot of Aruba or not.
6. and about the beer/bears remark. If you were talking about the issue with the translated document about the internet use of the van der Sloots, then it was not my mistake but the translating software that Klaasend used. If it was regarding the Auntiem remark then I have to say your right, I made a typo. But I'd rather be wrong on a typo then wrong on the issues like some people that I know.
Rammstein
At Sat Oct 07, 08:52:10 PM EDT, Meri said...
To clear up some misinformation that is being spread around the Internet I wanted to explain a few things.
I blogged about MIP6 (Mark Purcell and his many other names), and Reality (and his many other names) because they can have a direct impact on this boycott movement. MIP6 has been encouraging people to "invest" in Aruba and he works on Aruba and is friendly with Julia Renfro so my exposing him for the anti-boycott, anti Holloway/Twitty poster that he is, was important and necessary.
My reasons for doing a very short blog on Reality are also obvious because he has said many negative things about one of Natalee's family members on various sites.
I NEVER attempted to "Out" Rammenstein (or whatever names he may go by) because he is simply NOT important and is NO threat to this movement. He is simply a man who likes to hear the sound of his own voice (or read his own words in this case) and is of no importance to me whatsoever. I did have a Dutch citizen from The Netherlands who TEACHES English as a second language translate a couple of the documents that Ramm claims to have translated and this TEACHER found several errors in the translations. Errors that could and did change the relevance of the document. That may have occurred because Ramm is not proficient in his own language or for some nefarious reason unknown to me. I simply don't care about Mr. Rammenstien and yet he protests and protests about what I have written. He is not even a part of what I have written yet he places himself in the center of everything for whatever reasons he may have.
I am guessing that Mr. Rammenstien needs a lot of attention and I feel sorry for him.
Anyone who opposes the boycott opposes the family of Natalee in my opinion and deserves to be exposed. That would include MIP6 and Reality so I spoke about them. No matter who the family member is, my goal is to support them and the boycott movement and if by telling the TRUTH about who opposes it helps, then that is what I must do.
Aruba lied. Aruba let the family and Natalee down and as a result of their actions we have no answers regarding what happened to Natalee Holloway.
The boycott is a tool to make them realize that we are serious about finding the truth and that we won't stop until we do. They have a choice; they can tell what they REALLY know and let the truth come out in its entirety or they can continue to lie and cover-up.
As long as they do the latter we will boycott them and make them pay for their behavior in the only way that is productive. Boycotting Aruba is necessary until the truth is known.
Mr. Rammenstien can yammer all he wants to and lie about things he knows nothing about till the cows come home and it won't stop this movement nor will it stop me. He has sufficiently exposed himself in his own words so it is not necessary for me to belabor the point. He is what he is and all who have read his so-called Bio know the facts.
The boycott is for Natalee and her family and it will go forward. Poor Ramm has NO power to stop it and his words are hollow. I have been sent several copies of his recent blogs and if they hadn't of been so laughable I would have cried out in pity at his lack of accurate information.
Oh, and one more thing Ramm, people drink BEER...NOT BEARS. You really should take an English class before you continue to bill yourself as a translator of any language into English.
Meri
Well, I always knew Meri had a few issues with reality but I never knew they were this big LOL LOL LOL.
So here goes:
1. I do love the sound of my own keyboard, but don't you have that problem too?? Furthermore, I don't try to be important to you or anyone else, I stick to trying to be myself and telling the truth as I know/see it.
2. I don't doubt you showed a few translations to that teacher friend of yours, but I have a sneaky suspicion that you showed him translations that were not done by me, but by the good folks over at Scared Monkeys (ask Michelle about that one). And yes, in the translations made by Scared Monkeys, there were serious imperfections in translating that did change the meaning of the document.
My translations on the other hand did not contain any mistakes like that (mabye a few grammatical errors but no translating errors). So either you got it wrong (again) and gave the poor guy the wrong statements (statements that were not translated by me) or you should ask that person to contact me. I give private english lessons to remedial students (even if they teach English as a second language).
3. I might protest at what you write, but it has nothing to do with the boycott or you. It is just that from time to time someone has to speak up and expose your lies, your hatred and you getting facts wrong time and time again, and I have a problem keeping my keyboard silent when I read absolute hog-wash so I just have to speak up.
And I am often quite right to speak up in the face of so much inaccuracy, the above post for example clearly proves that you often blog like a headless chicken because you missed my personality discription by a country mile.
4. and if someone should talk about attention grabbing, try this one on for size regarding that one:
5. there is one thing I can agree on and that is this:
The aruban police-force has lied IMHO, on top of that, they have done a really crappy job on this investigation (can't really say how I feel about their level of "expertise" because that would be riddled with profanity and I should rather try not to go down that road) and their incompetence has been the primary cause that this case is still unsolved and that the parents of Natalee (all 4 of them) are still without the answers that they deserve. How much of this incompetence is down to corruption is a matter for another investigation to determine, I have suspicions and indications pointing to this but that is not the same as being able to prove it so I will err on the side of caution here.
The aruban government (who may not be able to dictate the actions taken in the investigation but is still politically responsible) should feel the consequences of their actions but as I have said before, I think that the wrong people are getting punished/hit by this boycott that don't deserve to be hit by this (the regular folks on Aruba).
It is however the fault of the Aruban government that it has not yet started an investigation into it's own failings. It should have founded/started an independant group of experts to investigate the failings in this case in order to find out who failed Aruba, the Holloway/Twitty families and most importantly, who failed Natalee.
The results of such an investigation would undoubtedly show how incredibly inept, incompetent and downright incredibly stupid this case has been handled since day one. And that should cost both Mr. Oduber and mr. Croes their jobs (along with a good part of the police-officers who have been working on this case).
But even though I may feel differently about this boycott then other people (and I do say that if asked), I fully agree with the fact that each man/woman must decide for him-/her-self whether to join the tourism-boycot of Aruba or not.
6. and about the beer/bears remark. If you were talking about the issue with the translated document about the internet use of the van der Sloots, then it was not my mistake but the translating software that Klaasend used. If it was regarding the Auntiem remark then I have to say your right, I made a typo. But I'd rather be wrong on a typo then wrong on the issues like some people that I know.
Rammstein
Sunday, October 08, 2006
For all you boycott-oriented people out there, a public service announcement
you know who you are. Yes, the people who think Dutch products should be boycotted (you know, the dutch who's sons and daughters are risking life and limb in Afghanistan fighting side by side with US sons and daughters, the country who has been an ally of the US since the civil war).
But don't worry, this blog-entry isn't going to be about this "so-called" boycott of dutch products and how I feel about it (maybe I will comment on that later, who knows), on the contrary, this is more a public service announcement for all you lovely boycott-fans. A public service announcement regarding the companies you can use in stead of those terrific dutch products:
SC Johnson subsiduaries/companies in the Netherlands
SC Johnson Benelux (Mijdrecht, the Netherlands)
SC Johnson Europlant production facility (Mijdrecht, the Netherlands
Johnson Polymer (sub-division of SC Johnson, Heerenveen, the Netherlands)
SC Johnson Europe BV (Mijdrecht, the Netherlands)
Reinigings Techniek Benelux B.V.
JohnsonDiversey Holding IT B.V.
Johnson Wax Professionals B.V. (manufacturing plant in Uden, the Netherlands)
Diversey IP International B.V. (Schiphol, The Netherlands
DiverseyLever B.V. (Schipholtower, Schiphol, the Netherlands)
reckittbenckiser
The company was formed by a merger between Britain's Reckitt & Colman and the DUTCH company Benckiser NV in 1999.
Really smart move here, posting a UK/Dutch company with a Dutch CEO called Bart Brecht
Proctor&Gamble
Proctor & Gamble Benelux (Rotterdam, the Netherlands)
Proctor & Gamble Coevorden (manufacturing facility, Coevorden the Netherlands)
Gillette, Proctor & Gamble subsiduary:
Gilfin BV (Rijswijk, the Netherlands)
Gillette Group Holland (Rijswijk, the Netherlands)
Gillette Latin American Holding BV (Rijswijk, the Netherlands)
Colgate-Palmolive
Colgate-Palmolive Netherlands (Weesp, the Netherlands
GABA B.V. (Almere, the Netherlands)
Hill's Pet food factory (Etten-Leur, the Netherlands)
Clorox (is a subsiduary of Proctor and Gamble, for their information see above. Glorox Netherlands B.V. )
Anyway, finding US companies that do not have offices/production facilities/european head offices/subsiduaries in the Netherlands will be a challenge. According to the US governments own data (from the US state department's website) there are 1,600 US companies who have offices or subsiduaries in the Netherlands.
But don't worry, this blog-entry isn't going to be about this "so-called" boycott of dutch products and how I feel about it (maybe I will comment on that later, who knows), on the contrary, this is more a public service announcement for all you lovely boycott-fans. A public service announcement regarding the companies you can use in stead of those terrific dutch products:
SC Johnson subsiduaries/companies in the Netherlands
SC Johnson Benelux (Mijdrecht, the Netherlands)SC Johnson Europlant production facility (Mijdrecht, the Netherlands
Johnson Polymer (sub-division of SC Johnson, Heerenveen, the Netherlands)
SC Johnson Europe BV (Mijdrecht, the Netherlands)
Reinigings Techniek Benelux B.V.
JohnsonDiversey Holding IT B.V.
Johnson Wax Professionals B.V. (manufacturing plant in Uden, the Netherlands)
Diversey IP International B.V. (Schiphol, The Netherlands
DiverseyLever B.V. (Schipholtower, Schiphol, the Netherlands)
reckittbenckiser
The company was formed by a merger between Britain's Reckitt & Colman and the DUTCH company Benckiser NV in 1999.
Really smart move here, posting a UK/Dutch company with a Dutch CEO called Bart Brecht
Proctor&Gamble
Proctor & Gamble Benelux (Rotterdam, the Netherlands)
Proctor & Gamble Coevorden (manufacturing facility, Coevorden the Netherlands)
news: The US-based Gillette Company is gifting its Indian subsidiary — Gillette India Ltd — to its global acquirer, the Netherlands-based Procter & Gamble, in an out-of-market deal.http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/06/09/stories/2006060902170200.htm
Gillette, Proctor & Gamble subsiduary:
Gilfin BV (Rijswijk, the Netherlands)
Gillette Group Holland (Rijswijk, the Netherlands)
Gillette Latin American Holding BV (Rijswijk, the Netherlands)
Colgate-Palmolive
Colgate-Palmolive Netherlands (Weesp, the Netherlands
GABA B.V. (Almere, the Netherlands)
Hill's Pet food factory (Etten-Leur, the Netherlands)
Clorox (is a subsiduary of Proctor and Gamble, for their information see above. Glorox Netherlands B.V. )
Anyway, finding US companies that do not have offices/production facilities/european head offices/subsiduaries in the Netherlands will be a challenge. According to the US governments own data (from the US state department's website) there are 1,600 US companies who have offices or subsiduaries in the Netherlands.
Friday, October 06, 2006
How insanely insensitive people can turn a pro-family site into the opposite
We have been seeing the signs for a while now. The wild eyes, the insane remarks. The hatred and the bashing remarks have grown more frequent and consistently more poisonous.I am talking offcourse about "distasteful-central", better known as "Arubanboycott.blogspot.com". Once it used to be a semi-respected site with a bit of extreme standing but lately it has turned into a site that seems to be turning from pro-family into the direction of an anti-family site. These last few days have proven that conclusively.
Because what other site would attack the stepmother and direct family member of Natalee Holloway? To be honest I can imagine Dave Holloway's blood will be boiling when he reads what the nutjobs (and sorry, I can think of no better word) at a site purporting to be there for the family have been up to.
Like a pack of rabid animals they have been attacking Robin for no good reason whatsoever. Let us be honest, these people have lost all sense of decency. They profess to being there for Natalee, blessing Natalee or writing Justice For Natalee but how can you state that when you attack one/two of her loved ones (Robin and Dave)?
If anyone IMHO, is not working for Justice For Natalee then it is them. I didn't know Natalee but I have read and heard a lot about her and I have come to the conclusion that she was wonderful young woman that had an endearing personality and that she was a vibrant, intelligent, friendly and loving person who was very close to her family and friends, whom she loved dearly.
And I find it sad, that in the name of such a wonderful young woman such hatred is being put into the world by a few shameless individuals who seem to think they are morally superior to all but who are anything but.
But as we all know, Robin isn't the only one they have been attacking. Your truely here has also been the target of the Arubanboycott mob of madmen/women. And to be honest, I could care less about those un-informed hate-posters. They can attack me all they want but it only shows their true colours, it says little or nothing about me. I know what I am like and my loved ones know what I am like. And those hateful posters over there obviously don't, or else they wouldn't be talking out of their backsides with all these untrue comments about me.
And I am not going to waste my time by naming and shaming the hate-mongers that have been going after one of Natalee's loved ones, someone else can do that. That person can prefably also put them in the the only clothing-item suitable for these people, the straight jacket. Because it is obvious for everyone that they have all lost their minds and need a one way trip to an insane-asylum for the emotionally and morally challenged individuals.Oh, one little thing for Auntiem, you are obviously a few beers short of a six-pack LOL LOL LOL. Me and anti-semetic LOL LOL LOL. Shows how much you know about me, absolutely nothing.
Rammstein
p.s. before I forget. Would the arch-idiots who put insulting pictures of Beth on the internet, you know who I am talking about Refugees, please also report to an insane-asylum for the emotionally and morally challenged because those images are sickening and disgusting.
Hello!!! How does bashing Robin Holloway support Natalee/Natalee's family?
It seems there was supposed to be a meeting of supporters of Natalee Holloway and for some reason Meri (who was invited) wasn't happy with the list of invited persons. Not only did she not agree with the list but for some reason she feared she might "act out in anger and frustration at to what she sees as a very sad situation".
I would think that working as a united front in the quest to find Natalee and get the justice she and her family so desperatly needs should be a paramount concern to all involved but that is not in the cards when I read that story. Meri feels that there will be people with lesser motives at the meeting and she feels that it would be wiser for her not to go because of that. I don't know why she would question who Beth/the family invited these individuals, but it seems she does and that is her good right as a free person. She posted all of this on Michelle's weblog over at Arubanboycott.
There is where the problems started. Now it may not have been a secret meeting (and why would it be, it is a very normal thing to do) but I could imagine the family also hadn't planned on making it public via the internet. Especially in the way it was done now. So it seems that Robin (according to a post made by Michelle) asked for it to be removed. I think she did this on behalf of her husband Dave (and possibly even Beth) and Michelle with a heavy heart (because it was a post of her dear friend Meri) did as Robin asked and removed the post..
This lead to a breaking off in the friendship of Meri and Michelle. Meri could not accept the actions that Michelle had taken in complying with a request made by Natalee's family (and YES, ROBIN IS NATALEE'S FAMILY TOOO!!!!). Michelle made a post explaining her actions in removing the post and Robin's request was made public for reasons that allude me completely. There was no need IMHO to mention that it was Robin that made the request in what I think was a request on behalf of the family (at least her and Dave) to remove the post.
Michelle later reversed her decision to remove the post at the center of the controversy and re-posted it but that is a whole different story as to whether that is right or wrong, as said it is her blog and her choice. Also Michelle runs a pretty unmoderated blog when it comes to responses (I think based on the responses that I do see on her blog). So even though I feel she should have never allowed these responses bashing Robin Holloway, this post on my blog is not about Michelle or her choice runnig a boycott site or even how she runs it because I think I made my feelings about that known before.
No this post is to speak up about a horrid attacks that people who visit her site have instigated against Robin Holloway, Natalee's stepmother and wife to Dave Holloway.
Suddenly I see cowards (yes cowards because a. the are attacking a direct family member of Natalee Holloway and b. because most of them are posting it anonymously) writing such horrid stuff like:
I agree, however, I need to add to this. Dave doesn't only NEED to get rid of his Bamalady, he NEED's to set his wife straight as to who the Mother of Natalee is. Robin too has become an embarrassment to this case. She should back off and let Beth handle this case. Robin has made a fool out of herself @ BFN along with many others there. Debbie & Robin want to be famous. They have let the world know how foolish one can become. Bless yall's little southern hearts. Debbie, your getting Robin to come to BFN has backfired on you and Robin. You two will see in time what damage you have done, in writing.
and
Robin enjoys seeing Beth bashed, now that the tables are turned, she doesn't like it. But, she brought this on her ownself. She is the one that started the drama at BFN. She is the one who thanked the bashers. She is the one crying now because Michelle refuses to remove the post. Robin, this is not about you! You saw Natalee twice a year and you want to be Natalee's Step-Angel? You're far from it dear. You've shown how much you care in your words!
And unfortunatly these weren't the only posts of this nature but no need to add insult to injury here by repeating more of these horrid comments on my blog.
So I am getting on my soapbox now:
HOW DARE THESE IDIOTS!!!!
Robin is a wonderful lady who has known Natalee ever since she was a young girl and has been married with Natalee's father Dave for many a year. She might be a "stepmother" to Natalee but that doesn't mean she doesn't love Natalee with all her heart or give you the right to insult her you %#**^@# #$$&$#@! (sorry for the badlanguage, I bleeped/censored myself).
Do you really think you are honoring the life and the person of Natalee Holloway (a person we know was a very very very nice young woman with a soft and compassionate personality) by insulting her stepmother and in part her father???? If you actually think it is OK to do this then you should better check yourself into the next mental hospital because that would prove you are criminally insane or need you stronger meds.
This is supposed to be about Natalee Holloway, her life, her tragic disappearance and our combined struggle to find out what happened that fateful night, our quest to get Natalee back home with her loved ones and our desire to make sure justice is served on whomever was involved in her disappearance and what happened after that.
SO STOP THE BASHING OF ROBIN/DAVE BECAUSE YOU ARE DISGRACING YOURSELF AND MAKING A MOCKERY OUT OF OUR CAUSE, YOU STUPID D#MB@SSES!!!
Rammstein
I would think that working as a united front in the quest to find Natalee and get the justice she and her family so desperatly needs should be a paramount concern to all involved but that is not in the cards when I read that story. Meri feels that there will be people with lesser motives at the meeting and she feels that it would be wiser for her not to go because of that. I don't know why she would question who Beth/the family invited these individuals, but it seems she does and that is her good right as a free person. She posted all of this on Michelle's weblog over at Arubanboycott.
There is where the problems started. Now it may not have been a secret meeting (and why would it be, it is a very normal thing to do) but I could imagine the family also hadn't planned on making it public via the internet. Especially in the way it was done now. So it seems that Robin (according to a post made by Michelle) asked for it to be removed. I think she did this on behalf of her husband Dave (and possibly even Beth) and Michelle with a heavy heart (because it was a post of her dear friend Meri) did as Robin asked and removed the post..
This lead to a breaking off in the friendship of Meri and Michelle. Meri could not accept the actions that Michelle had taken in complying with a request made by Natalee's family (and YES, ROBIN IS NATALEE'S FAMILY TOOO!!!!). Michelle made a post explaining her actions in removing the post and Robin's request was made public for reasons that allude me completely. There was no need IMHO to mention that it was Robin that made the request in what I think was a request on behalf of the family (at least her and Dave) to remove the post.
Michelle later reversed her decision to remove the post at the center of the controversy and re-posted it but that is a whole different story as to whether that is right or wrong, as said it is her blog and her choice. Also Michelle runs a pretty unmoderated blog when it comes to responses (I think based on the responses that I do see on her blog). So even though I feel she should have never allowed these responses bashing Robin Holloway, this post on my blog is not about Michelle or her choice runnig a boycott site or even how she runs it because I think I made my feelings about that known before.
No this post is to speak up about a horrid attacks that people who visit her site have instigated against Robin Holloway, Natalee's stepmother and wife to Dave Holloway.
Suddenly I see cowards (yes cowards because a. the are attacking a direct family member of Natalee Holloway and b. because most of them are posting it anonymously) writing such horrid stuff like:
Beth needs to take complete control and charge of Natalee's case. Dave needs to get rid of his Bamalady. She is an embarassment to him and this case.
andI agree, however, I need to add to this. Dave doesn't only NEED to get rid of his Bamalady, he NEED's to set his wife straight as to who the Mother of Natalee is. Robin too has become an embarrassment to this case. She should back off and let Beth handle this case. Robin has made a fool out of herself @ BFN along with many others there. Debbie & Robin want to be famous. They have let the world know how foolish one can become. Bless yall's little southern hearts. Debbie, your getting Robin to come to BFN has backfired on you and Robin. You two will see in time what damage you have done, in writing.
and
Robin enjoys seeing Beth bashed, now that the tables are turned, she doesn't like it. But, she brought this on her ownself. She is the one that started the drama at BFN. She is the one who thanked the bashers. She is the one crying now because Michelle refuses to remove the post. Robin, this is not about you! You saw Natalee twice a year and you want to be Natalee's Step-Angel? You're far from it dear. You've shown how much you care in your words!
And unfortunatly these weren't the only posts of this nature but no need to add insult to injury here by repeating more of these horrid comments on my blog.
So I am getting on my soapbox now:
HOW DARE THESE IDIOTS!!!!Robin is a wonderful lady who has known Natalee ever since she was a young girl and has been married with Natalee's father Dave for many a year. She might be a "stepmother" to Natalee but that doesn't mean she doesn't love Natalee with all her heart or give you the right to insult her you %#**^@# #$$&$#@! (sorry for the badlanguage, I bleeped/censored myself).
Do you really think you are honoring the life and the person of Natalee Holloway (a person we know was a very very very nice young woman with a soft and compassionate personality) by insulting her stepmother and in part her father???? If you actually think it is OK to do this then you should better check yourself into the next mental hospital because that would prove you are criminally insane or need you stronger meds.
This is supposed to be about Natalee Holloway, her life, her tragic disappearance and our combined struggle to find out what happened that fateful night, our quest to get Natalee back home with her loved ones and our desire to make sure justice is served on whomever was involved in her disappearance and what happened after that.
SO STOP THE BASHING OF ROBIN/DAVE BECAUSE YOU ARE DISGRACING YOURSELF AND MAKING A MOCKERY OUT OF OUR CAUSE, YOU STUPID D#MB@SSES!!!
Rammstein
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